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		<title>By: Patient Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Health care is not a right</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-2877</link>
		<dc:creator>Patient Power &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Health care is not a right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-1823</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the preamble as the impetus for the creation of our emerging socialist state is silly.   I&#039;m guaranteed a republican form of government in the Bill of Rights.  This government was created to give people the opportunity to provide for themselves free of governmental interferance, not to directly provide in it&#039;s own capacity (which, in a government for the people by the people, is actually OUR capacity).   Instead, we now have a government that has forgotten it&#039;s primary intent, and thanks to the Great Society and hte New Deal, is so infused with Socialism, that it is destined to economically collapse on itself insdie of 40 years, just like the Socialist States of old.   

With half of our Federal Budget destined for Socialist Programs like Welfare, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid growing to over 75% by 2040, we will soon no longer be able to fund things like your referenced Federal Highway system, our own military defense because we will be so mired down in providing your &quot;general welfare&quot; there will be money left for nothing else.   Whether it&#039;s Constitutional or not (and it&#039;s not) is that the right future for us?  How can you support the expansion, or even continued levels of our Socialist Programs with our future so clearly laid out in front of us?   How can defending your interpretation of the Preamble be so important that you&#039;d sacrafice everything else  to defend it?

It&#039;s sad we are so unable to learn from history&#039;s lessons, and the mistakes so clearly ratified by our predecessors.  Socialism fails.   It&#039;s not even a discussion point.  It&#039;s a law of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the preamble as the impetus for the creation of our emerging socialist state is silly.   I&#8217;m guaranteed a republican form of government in the Bill of Rights.  This government was created to give people the opportunity to provide for themselves free of governmental interferance, not to directly provide in it&#8217;s own capacity (which, in a government for the people by the people, is actually OUR capacity).   Instead, we now have a government that has forgotten it&#8217;s primary intent, and thanks to the Great Society and hte New Deal, is so infused with Socialism, that it is destined to economically collapse on itself insdie of 40 years, just like the Socialist States of old.   </p>
<p>With half of our Federal Budget destined for Socialist Programs like Welfare, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid growing to over 75% by 2040, we will soon no longer be able to fund things like your referenced Federal Highway system, our own military defense because we will be so mired down in providing your &#8220;general welfare&#8221; there will be money left for nothing else.   Whether it&#8217;s Constitutional or not (and it&#8217;s not) is that the right future for us?  How can you support the expansion, or even continued levels of our Socialist Programs with our future so clearly laid out in front of us?   How can defending your interpretation of the Preamble be so important that you&#8217;d sacrafice everything else  to defend it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad we are so unable to learn from history&#8217;s lessons, and the mistakes so clearly ratified by our predecessors.  Socialism fails.   It&#8217;s not even a discussion point.  It&#8217;s a law of history.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any time.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, thanks for contributing JH.  I appreciate the dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, thanks for contributing JH.  I appreciate the dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the voting, that is true.  I was just pointing out that contrary to the beliefs of many folks out there, there is not &quot;right to vote&quot; found in the constitution.

Concerning the preamble, my point is that one cannot use the preamble for a basis of law and thus cannot use the &quot;promote the general welfare&quot; to cover whatever one wants.  I don&#039;t think it is window dressing either BTW.   My point in this post was, in one way, to point out that there is no &quot;right&quot; to health coverage.  Many people feel that they are entitled to it or that it is a &quot;right&quot; which it is not and, IMHO, never should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the voting, that is true.  I was just pointing out that contrary to the beliefs of many folks out there, there is not &#8220;right to vote&#8221; found in the constitution.</p>
<p>Concerning the preamble, my point is that one cannot use the preamble for a basis of law and thus cannot use the &#8220;promote the general welfare&#8221; to cover whatever one wants.  I don&#8217;t think it is window dressing either BTW.   My point in this post was, in one way, to point out that there is no &#8220;right&#8221; to health coverage.  Many people feel that they are entitled to it or that it is a &#8220;right&#8221; which it is not and, IMHO, never should be.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The preamble isn&#039;t a basis for actual law, but that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s just window dressing either.  It merely shows that the founders intended government to provide for the general welfare.  What constitutes general welfare, is of course, open to debate.

In a technical sense, you&#039;re right.  The constitution only forbids denying the right to vote to people based on gender, age, poll-taxes, and race.  Legislatures are still free to deny the right to vote to homosexuals, people born in the year 1973, those who like their eggs sunny side up, and people whose names start with an M, a J, or a P.  At least they would be free to do it for the 2 days or so before a constitutional amendment which struck the legislation down was ratified.  The general assumption in America is that all adult citizens can vote.  It isn&#039;t necessary to provide a universal voting amendment because no one in modern times is so foolish as to try to restrict voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The preamble isn&#8217;t a basis for actual law, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s just window dressing either.  It merely shows that the founders intended government to provide for the general welfare.  What constitutes general welfare, is of course, open to debate.</p>
<p>In a technical sense, you&#8217;re right.  The constitution only forbids denying the right to vote to people based on gender, age, poll-taxes, and race.  Legislatures are still free to deny the right to vote to homosexuals, people born in the year 1973, those who like their eggs sunny side up, and people whose names start with an M, a J, or a P.  At least they would be free to do it for the 2 days or so before a constitutional amendment which struck the legislation down was ratified.  The general assumption in America is that all adult citizens can vote.  It isn&#8217;t necessary to provide a universal voting amendment because no one in modern times is so foolish as to try to restrict voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JH, I challenge you to point to anyone who used the preamble as a basis for an arguement of law (and won).  Can you show me a constitutional scholar who seriously referenced it?  Again, I point out that if the preamble could be used as law in such a broad general sense, why get specific in the constitution?

Those amendments do not give a universal right to vote.  You cannot deny the vote based on race or gender but it does not give a universal right to vote.  Note that in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JH, I challenge you to point to anyone who used the preamble as a basis for an arguement of law (and won).  Can you show me a constitutional scholar who seriously referenced it?  Again, I point out that if the preamble could be used as law in such a broad general sense, why get specific in the constitution?</p>
<p>Those amendments do not give a universal right to vote.  You cannot deny the vote based on race or gender but it does not give a universal right to vote.  Note that in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose they were just whistling with their hands in their pockets when they wrote the preamble, hoping no one would take it too seriously.  Whether the preamble authorizes or forbids anything or not isn&#039;t even the point anyway.  The point is universal health care is not a constitutional issue.  Nothing in it forbids it or mandates it.  If you want to argue for or against it, you need to do so on other grounds.

Those amendments do give a right to vote.  In fact, those are the exact words they use, &quot;...the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose they were just whistling with their hands in their pockets when they wrote the preamble, hoping no one would take it too seriously.  Whether the preamble authorizes or forbids anything or not isn&#8217;t even the point anyway.  The point is universal health care is not a constitutional issue.  Nothing in it forbids it or mandates it.  If you want to argue for or against it, you need to do so on other grounds.</p>
<p>Those amendments do give a right to vote.  In fact, those are the exact words they use, &#8220;&#8230;the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JH, the preamble is never used as a way of exercising power.  No Constitutional scholar would ever cite the preamble as an authorization of power.  If the preamable grants such a broad use of power to &quot;insure domestic tranquility&quot; or &quot;promote the general welfare&quot; then the rest of the constitution is pretty much unnecessary and all but redundant.  Why talk about a post office in the constitution if it is already granted under the general &quot;welfare&quot; clause? Why give Congress the power to raise an army if it is already covered in the preamble?

In regards to the 15th and 19th -true, they do forbid discrimination in voting on the basis of race or sex however these prohibitions don&#039;t give us a universal right to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JH, the preamble is never used as a way of exercising power.  No Constitutional scholar would ever cite the preamble as an authorization of power.  If the preamable grants such a broad use of power to &#8220;insure domestic tranquility&#8221; or &#8220;promote the general welfare&#8221; then the rest of the constitution is pretty much unnecessary and all but redundant.  Why talk about a post office in the constitution if it is already granted under the general &#8220;welfare&#8221; clause? Why give Congress the power to raise an army if it is already covered in the preamble?</p>
<p>In regards to the 15th and 19th -true, they do forbid discrimination in voting on the basis of race or sex however these prohibitions don&#8217;t give us a universal right to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
		<link>http://mymoratorium.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/entitlement-society/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The preamble to the constitution states that the US government was ordained in part to provide for the general welfare of the people.  So with regard to healthcare, the question would be, &quot;Should this fall under the scope of general welfare?&quot;

Universal healthcare does not need to be authorized by the constitution to be a legitimate undertaking of government.  The constitution doesn&#039;t authorize building the interstate system either, but no serious person would argue that it shouldn&#039;t have been built.  Some services (like the interstate system or the military), are best provided by government.  The debate over universal healthcare is not a debate over its constitutionality.  It&#039;s a debate over whether it&#039;s an enterprise best done collectively (i.e. by the federal government).

The 15th and 19th amendments to the US constitution guarantee the right to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The preamble to the constitution states that the US government was ordained in part to provide for the general welfare of the people.  So with regard to healthcare, the question would be, &#8220;Should this fall under the scope of general welfare?&#8221;</p>
<p>Universal healthcare does not need to be authorized by the constitution to be a legitimate undertaking of government.  The constitution doesn&#8217;t authorize building the interstate system either, but no serious person would argue that it shouldn&#8217;t have been built.  Some services (like the interstate system or the military), are best provided by government.  The debate over universal healthcare is not a debate over its constitutionality.  It&#8217;s a debate over whether it&#8217;s an enterprise best done collectively (i.e. by the federal government).</p>
<p>The 15th and 19th amendments to the US constitution guarantee the right to vote.</p>
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